茶馆 ： 所有"无关紧要的"话题

Fargoer wrote:

其实不用等到机器和人译得一样好。一旦 Google translate 的翻译质量达到一定程度，校改机译稿比自己翻译容易，译者就可以利用 Google translate 提高效率。等到译者都习惯于做校改而不做翻译了，翻译这个职业就事实上消亡了。

QHE wrote:

Let’s go to Google Translate ...

Fargoer wrote:

其实不用等到机器和人译得一样好。一旦 Google translate 的翻译质量达到一定程度，校改机译稿比自己翻译容易，译者就可以利用 Google translate 提高效率。等到译者都习惯于做校改而不做翻译了，翻译这个职业就事实上消亡了。

不过，翻译公司大概不会让这种情况发生。他们派活儿的方式可能早就改变了。没有翻译，都是校改。价钱减半，爱干不干！ 呜呜呜 ！

Vivian Du (PhD) wrote:



“机译后编辑校对”确实有可能成为译者的主要业务，不过那也无妨吧，我觉得只要译者们的语言能力和经验尚有用武之处，又能混得生活所需，挽起袖子来为机器做校对也不错。真的到了校对都不用了的时候，我们整个地球村的经济和文化面貌大概会变得认不出来了。

ysun wrote:

关键在于谁是“提高效率”的受益者？

Fargoer wrote:

但是，在市场需要不增加的情况下，机器的引进提高了单位时间的产出，全社会需要翻译劳动时间总量就会减少。活儿越来越难找，你降不降价？

再说，校改机译稿和自己翻译稿件能一样吗？我觉得，做翻译如果没有先读的快乐和创造的满足，那还真不如干点流汗的活儿，至少不会得抑郁症。 等不到全职为机器改稿的那一天，我可能早就去餐馆洗盘子了。这几天晚上睡不着，就琢磨这事儿来着。 To be ( a translator ) or not to be, that is a question.

Vivian Du (PhD) wrote:
Fargoer, 要多放宽心啊，to be or not to be is just a question, 别为它失眠。

Fargoer wrote:

科技进步是怎么来的？是钱堆出来的。谁是技术的主宰？是资本。 AlphaGo 对李世石的胜利，可能看作商业巨头对个人棋士的碾压。 无可逃遁。

ysun wrote:


碾压个人棋士也许比较容易，但碾压翻译人员却没那么容易。对比以下中文原文及英译文，就可知 Google Translate 的中英翻译水平还差得很远。

http://www.google.com/patents/CN204111926U?cl=zh

http://www.google.com/patents/CN204111926U?cl=en

http://www.proz.com/post/2532421#2532421

Fargoer wrote:

是得乐观，哈。不然也没有别的办法不是。

其实，李世石还不算太惨。他还有还手的机会。听说他反过来向

AlphaGo 挑战了呢！换了我们呢？ ……

感觉自己是温水里的蛙……

还是睡觉去啦 ……

fargoer wrote:
您真乐观

ysun wrote:
碾压个人棋士也许比较容易，但碾压翻译人员却没那么容易。对比以下中文原文及英译文，就可知 Google Translate 的中英翻译水平还差得很远。

ysun wrote:

如您所说，也许“去餐馆洗盘子”也是个不错的选择！

http://money.cnn.com/2016/02/24/news/economy/trash-workers-high-pay/

The $100,000 job: Garbage workers
by Patrick Gillespie @CNNMoney
February 25, 2016: 8:29 AM ET

…

And yet, they love their job. Part of the reason is they get paid well for their hard work.
"Your trash is my money," Molina, 32, says with a baby-faced grin.

Molina made $112,000 last year as a garbage truck driver and Sankar made $100,000 as a helper, riding on the back of the truck. Their wages have grown in eight of the last nine years, according to their bosses, brothers David and Jerry Antonacci, owners of Crown Container, a waste management company.

Molina dropped out of high school in the 10th grade and he's worked at Crown for 10 years. He says his starting salary was about $80,000. Sankar too dropped out of school before migrating to the U.S. from Guyana 20 years ago.

Not everyone makes six figures, but most trash workers are doing better than high school dropouts and even graduates.

Nationwide, the annual salary for a garbage truck driver is $40,000, according to the Labor Department. Across all professions, high school dropouts earn about $24,000, while high school graduates make $30,000 annually, according to the U.S. Education Department.

Molina and Sankar are aware that they outearn many people with a college degree.

Guys who go to college might not make the kind of money "(I make) on the back of a garbage truck, picking up trash," says Sankar.

Not only do they earn a good salary, their wages are growing faster than the average too. Nationwide, wages for trash workers have grown 18%, which is a lot faster than the 14% average for all workers since the recession ended in June 2009.

Vivian Du (PhD) wrote:




呵呵，我大概是“无知者无畏”的乐观吧。不过，“愁也一天，乐也一天”，像孙先生说得那样，“活一天就乐一天” 就挺好。



是的，机器翻译跟人工翻译还差得远呢。希望将来也不要被机器压榨到。:)