Glossary entry (derived from question below)
May 21, 2008 17:04
15 yrs ago
English term
West Frisian
English to Dutch
Social Sciences
Linguistics
A Frisian translator tells me that "West Frisian" translates to "Fries" in Dutch, not to "West-Fries", for that would be "Western Frisian", a dialect of Hollandic. I see Wikipedia mentions "Westerlauwers Fries". My questions are therefore (a) what is "West Frisian" in Dutch, and (b) would "West-Fries" necessarily be incorrect?
Proposed translations
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| 4 +3 | Fries |
Ron Willems
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| 4 | West-Fries |
Henk Sanderson
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Change log
Feb 17, 2013 14:53: Samuel Murray changed "Language pair" from "English to Frisian" to "English"
Feb 17, 2013 14:54: Samuel Murray changed "Language pair" from "English" to "English to Dutch" , "Restriction (Native Lang)" from "fry" to "none"
Feb 24, 2013 07:45: Ron Willems Created KOG entry
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1732 days
Ron Willems
Netherlands
Netherlands
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Works in field
Netherlands
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Native in: Dutch (Variant: Netherlands) 
Works in: English to Dutch
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Fries
West-Fries in het Engels (en Duits) verwijst naar het 'Nederlandse' Fries, ter onderscheiding van Oost-Fries, dat in Duitsland gesproken wordt.
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfriesische_Sprache
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_Dutch
Westerlauwers Fries (Westerlauwers Fries: Frysk) is het Fries dat gesproken wordt in de Nederlandse provincie Friesland en een aangrenzend deel van de provincie Groningen. Deze taal wordt doorgaans Fries genoemd en ook in dit artikel wordt hiermee de Westerlauwerse variant bedoeld.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westerlauwers_Fries
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westfriesische_Sprache
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_Dutch
Westerlauwers Fries (Westerlauwers Fries: Frysk) is het Fries dat gesproken wordt in de Nederlandse provincie Friesland en een aangrenzend deel van de provincie Groningen. Deze taal wordt doorgaans Fries genoemd en ook in dit artikel wordt hiermee de Westerlauwerse variant bedoeld.
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westerlauwers_Fries
Peer comment(s):
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Karel van den Oever
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| agree |
Jan Willem van Dormolen (X)
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| agree |
Monique Zwanenburg Widingsjö
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Comment: "Selected automatically based on peer agreement."
1732 days
Henk Sanderson
Netherlands
Netherlands
Native in Dutch
Netherlands
47 years of Engineering Experience
Native in: Dutch (Variant: Netherlands)
Works in: German to Dutch, English to Dutch
West-Fries
West-Fries bestaat wel degelijk en is niet hetzelfde als Fries (hoewel minder goed gedocumenteerd dan Fries)
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Note added at 1732 days (2013-02-17 15:03:30 GMT)
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A good explanation is given in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language
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Note added at 1732 days (2013-02-17 15:03:30 GMT)
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A good explanation is given in http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_language
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Karel van den Oever
: Op diezelfde Wikipedia-pagina staat "Not to be confused with West Frisian Dutch". Die laatste is de gangbare Engelse benaming voor 'West-Fries'.
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Je hebt gelijk, Karel
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Discussion
You have a West Frisian language (Westerlauwers Fries, Fries) and a West Frisian dialect (West-Fries)
The West Frisian dialect (Dutch: West-Fries) is a Dutch dialect spoken in the contemporary West Friesland region, Wieringen, Wieringermeer, the coastal area from Den Helder to Castricum, and the island of Texel. It is a Hollandic Dutch dialect but has affinities to the Frisian language.
Het West-Fries (West-Fries: Westfriesk of Westfries) is een verzamelnaam voor een aantal Nederlandse dialecten die gesproken worden in de provincie Noord-Holland, meer bepaald in de regio West-Friesland.
Ook de polders benoorden het oude West-Friesland (Wieringermeer, Anna Paulowna), de kuststrook van Den Helder tot Castricum
http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/West-Fries_(dialectgroep)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/West_Frisian_Dutch
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I think, by the way, that your Frisian colleague was right, as (s)he should be. When I hear 'West-Fries', I think of the dialect that is spoken in Noord-Holland (and the people who live there). I would never use 'West-Fries' for the language everybody in the Netherlands calls just 'Fries'.
In international and/or linguistically advanced company, to distinguish from Ostfriesisch as it's spoken in Germany, probably "Westerlauwers Fries" should be used.