Glossary entry

English term or phrase:

By the mid-20th century

English answer:

Perfectly usual turn of phrase: Read style guide references.

Added to glossary by Allison Wright (X)
Mar 27, 2011 19:28
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English term

By the mid-20th century

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My (long) text abounds with chronological references.
e.g. At the beginning of/Towards the end of/It was not until the Xth century.

This is the first mention of being "in the middle of" a century.

I would be grateful if less fatigued fellow translators could tell me if the phrase above is usual, and acceptable, in the format typed above. At this stage it looks a little like a "txt msg" to me.
TIA

Discussion

mediamatrix (X) Mar 27, 2011:
Consensus? "The general consensus is that numerical and written forms shouldn't be mixed in a document."

Where did that idea come from? It's certainly not 'consensual' as far as I'm concerned.
Jenni Lukac (X) Mar 27, 2011:
It's a matter of the style guide preferred by the client of the publisher. The Chicago Manual of Style dictates that the century should be spelled out and lowercased but some technical publications stipulate the use of numerals. All guides agree than one such avoid starting a sentence with a numeral, including dates, whenever possible although it is sometimes allowed in newspaper writing. (not your problem here.) I just saw your most recent comment. The general consensus is that numerical and written forms shouldn't be mixed in a document.
Allison Wright (X) (asker) Mar 27, 2011:
Thanks Travelin Ann. My problem, I suppose, is that I have chosen "first century" to "twelfth century", thereafter "13th century" to "20th century" as a standard format throughout. My natural inclination - if the term appeared just once in a very short text would be to type "mid-Twentieth Century", especially if I were to use it attributively. Hence my doubts.
Travelin Ann Mar 27, 2011:
The exact phrase, searched in inverted commas/quotes, gets over 2 million ghits.
I've also seen it spelled out "mid-twentieth" - that gets 1.4 million ghits.

Responses

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Perfectly usual turn of phrase

There's nothing unusual about it at all. It's one of those very 'English' approximations, probably pointing (albeit vaguely) to 1950 +/- five or ten years.
Peer comment(s):

agree MedTrans&More : with 'by' meaning 'until/up to'
4 mins
agree Jack Doughty
29 mins
agree Noni Gilbert Riley
30 mins
agree Tony M : Absolutely! And I don't see any harm in leaving 20th in figures, we talk all the time about "the 20th century" and we write "the 1930s" (although admittedly "the Roaring Twenties"!)
41 mins
agree eski
2 hrs
agree B D Finch
3 hrs
agree Phong Le
4 hrs
agree Rachel Fell
13 hrs
agree Simon Mac
15 hrs
agree jccantrell : Fine by me in the USA.
19 hrs
agree Tina Vonhof (X) : I think writing out the numbers would make it cumbersome to read.
20 hrs
agree Thuy-PTT (X)
1 day 6 hrs
agree Jocelyne S
1 day 18 hrs
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OK but if not a technical text I suggest writing out 2Oth

This is a question of style, but if given the choice, I would write out "twentieth".
Peer comment(s):

agree eski : Claro que también vale! Saludos, amiga: eski
2 hrs
Thanks, eski.
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Reference comments

3 hrs
Reference:

Depends on the client and destination

But you should be consistent.

The Guardian Style Guide:
'style guide illustrations ..... 21st century. but hyphenate if adjectival: "newspapers of the 21st century", "21st-century newspapers" ...'

Cambridge History Journal Style Guide:
Dates should be written in the form: 20 December 1148; 20 December; AD 245-50. Centuries should be written out (twenty-first century) and 1920s etc. should be written without an apostrophe.

The editorial style guide of the publications and website of The Royal College of Surgeons of ... eg fifth century; adjectivally with a hyphen, eg 20th-century surgery ..... Oxford: Blackwell Scientific Publications; 1993. pp58–69. ...
www.rcseng.ac.uk/publications/submissions/collegestyleguide...

And the BBCL
"we don't capitalise hours, time of day, seasons or centuries - four o'clock, morning, summer, the fifth century."
http://www.bbc.co.uk/journalism/apps/tutor/html/capitals/ind...

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Note added at 3 hrs (2011-03-27 23:04:34 GMT)
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Here is the full quotation from the RCS:
" third century BC, AD1620, 1000BC, the 18th century, etc
written if 1–10, eg fifth century
adjectivally with a hyphen, eg 20th-century surgery"

So, they would go for tenth century, 11th century 12th century etc.
Note from asker:
All of these references are incredibly helpful. Thank you.
Peer comments on this reference comment:

agree Travelin Ann : nice refs B D
2 hrs
Thanks Ann
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