| Halaman dalam topik: < [1 2 3] > | Job closed 6 minutes after being posted Penyiaran jaluran : Caryl Swift
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Annett Hieber 
Jerman
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Inggeris hingga Bahasa Jerman
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| I can understand how you felt | Jan 27, 2009 |
Dear Caryl,
I think I can truly understand how you felt at that moment and in my opinion it was your good right to ask the ProZ.com staff if there was such a feature available.
What I don't understand as well is why some agency/outsourcer does indicate a deadline for quoting on the job at all if he/she intends to accept the first offer he/she receives?
Shit happens...take it easy and try to think about it as Paula suggested.
Annett
[Edit... See more Dear Caryl,
I think I can truly understand how you felt at that moment and in my opinion it was your good right to ask the ProZ.com staff if there was such a feature available.
What I don't understand as well is why some agency/outsourcer does indicate a deadline for quoting on the job at all if he/she intends to accept the first offer he/she receives?
Shit happens...take it easy and try to think about it as Paula suggested.
Annett
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| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | Thank you, Annett... | Jan 27, 2009 |
...for your kind reply.
And you're quite right. Why bother with the quoting deadline at all? Perhaps it's a compulsory field?
Kind regards
Caryl
| | | | Ralf Lemster
Jerman
Local time: 09:37
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| Quoting deadline is used to automatically close jobs | Jan 27, 2009 |
Hi Caryl,
And you're quite right. Why bother with the quoting deadline at all? Perhaps it's a compulsory field?
It is - and for a reason: to avoid having jobs being shown as open that were placed long ago, they are closed automatically when the quoting deadline expires.
Best regards,
Ralf
| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | Automatic action/reaction | Jan 27, 2009 |
Hi Ralf!
Thank you for the explanation - and the reasoning is, of course, absolutely sound.
So, can I ask - is there any way of notifiying anyone who's in the middle of writing a quote for a job that was open when they begun and is not near its expiry time that the job has now been closed?
Kind regards,
Caryl
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Ralf Lemster
Jerman
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Inggeris hingga Bahasa Jerman
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| You will need to ask the TechieZ | Jan 27, 2009 |
Hi again,
So, can I ask - is there any way of notifiying anyone who's in the middle of writing a quote for a job that was open when they begun and is not near its expiry time that the job has now been closed?
Of course you can - but I'm afraid I cannot answer, as I cannot assess the technical feasibility and/or the programming efforts involved.
Best regards,
Ralf
| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | Thank you, Ralf | Jan 27, 2009 |
Is there a specific way of doing that? Or will they see the question here anyway?
Kind regards,
Caryl
| | | | Ralf Lemster
Jerman
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Inggeris hingga Bahasa Jerman
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| Support Request | Jan 27, 2009 |
Hi again,
Is there a specific way of doing that? Or will they see the question here anyway?
They might (I alerted them to this topic); if you believe this needs more urgent attention, I suggest to submit a Support Request.
Best regards,
Ralf
| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | No, no great urgency | Jan 27, 2009 |
Thank you again, Ralf!
No, I don't think it's a matter of major urgency or warrants a support ticket - especially since you've been kind enough to alert them to the thread. It's more along the lines of a small suggestion for a possible improvement, I think.
Thank you very much for all your answers. Have a good evening!
Kind regards,
Caryl
[Edited at 2009-01-27 20:52 GMT]
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Sheila Wilson
Sepanyol
Local time: 08:37
Ahli (2007)
Bahasa Inggeris
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| A KudoZ-type "agree" with Caryl | Jan 27, 2009 |
The same thing happened to me a few months ago, Caryl. I, too, found it annoying.
As you say, it's not the end of the world, but if it's avoidable then it would be nice to avoid it. If it's a job you really want you may spend a while on the quote and experience a very real let-down when all you get is this "job closed" message.
I don't think you can get to the quote screens at all if the job is already closed, so the fact that you are there means that you started th... See more The same thing happened to me a few months ago, Caryl. I, too, found it annoying.
As you say, it's not the end of the world, but if it's avoidable then it would be nice to avoid it. If it's a job you really want you may spend a while on the quote and experience a very real let-down when all you get is this "job closed" message.
I don't think you can get to the quote screens at all if the job is already closed, so the fact that you are there means that you started the quote when it was open. Surely these quotes ought to be sent to the poster. Posters could be informed that quotes that are already "in the post" (using old-fashioned terminology) when the job was closed will be received and should be acknowledged in the usual way. ▲ Collapse
| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | Another angle! | Jan 27, 2009 |
Hi Sheila,
Yes, you're right that you can't get the quote screen once the job has been closed, so your logic makes perfect sense.; if you're there, it was open. So it might, indeed, be an idea for the poster to be aware that another quote is, as you say, 'in the post'.
I wonder if it would be possible to do something like this (I'm no great Techie, I'm afraid). What I'm calling the 'pop-up' option would give you the chance to decide whether to proceed with the quote any... See more Hi Sheila,
Yes, you're right that you can't get the quote screen once the job has been closed, so your logic makes perfect sense.; if you're there, it was open. So it might, indeed, be an idea for the poster to be aware that another quote is, as you say, 'in the post'.
I wonder if it would be possible to do something like this (I'm no great Techie, I'm afraid). What I'm calling the 'pop-up' option would give you the chance to decide whether to proceed with the quote anyway - on the 'Try anyway' basis that Luisa mentioned; if you continued, then your notification idea would kick in, but only at the moment the quote is submitted.
That way, there'd be no erroneous notification sent if you were to decide not to bother and thus abandoned the quote. And there wouldn't, I suppose, be floods of such notifications, since it would only affect people who'd accessed the screen before the closure.
Well - I don't know whether that's possible - but the **WARNING - THIS JOB HAS JUST BEEN CLOSED** communique would be nice.
Bonne nuit!
Caryl
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| | | | Piotr Bienkowski
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Ahli (2005)
Bahasa Inggeris hingga Bahasa Poland
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| A quoting robot, perhaps? | Jan 28, 2009 |
Caryl, I saw that one too and wanted to quote, but could not find the quote button any more ...
An idea for proz.com programmers:
If I qualify for the job, can you put together a piece of code that places the quote for me? (And if the outsourcer requires a quote by e-mail, e-mail me first so that I can forward the quote).
What do you, and the translators think?
Regards,
... See more Caryl, I saw that one too and wanted to quote, but could not find the quote button any more ...
An idea for proz.com programmers:
If I qualify for the job, can you put together a piece of code that places the quote for me? (And if the outsourcer requires a quote by e-mail, e-mail me first so that I can forward the quote).
What do you, and the translators think?
Regards,
Piotr ▲ Collapse
| | | | | outsourcers just want to collect your contact details | Jan 28, 2009 |
I ran into a similiar situation two days ago. After the job was posted for 30 minutes, I wrote an email to the poster. Then I phone him to ask about if he got my message. His answer was the job had been assigned to someone else. He promised to enter my contact details to his database. What the hell! And the job is still in Proz for the next three days. Obviously, what some job posters want in Proz is collecting contact details!
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Kevin Lossner
Portugal
Local time: 08:37
Bahasa Jerman hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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An Trinh wrote:
Obviously, what some job posters want in Proz is collecting contact details!
Nothing too bad about that as far as I can see, except perhaps the occasionally puerile fits my hosts have about "data protection and privacy". Many translators are eager to get someone to notice their details and maybe offer them a job some day, so if these details get collected, that gives them a useful result. In most cases a job can be awarded to one person, but this way a number of people may win over the long term. I've had profitable contacts years later from prospects I contacted because of a job posting, and some have ended up becoming cherished regulars. So be patient... your day may come
| | | | Aniello Scognamiglio (X)
Jerman
Local time: 09:37
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| Testing the market | Jan 28, 2009 |
An Trinh wrote:
Obviously, what some job posters want in Proz is collecting contact details!
What's wrong with it? It happens every day, everywhere - all over the world.
Some outsoucers just want to "test" the translation market
| | | | Caryl Swift
Poland
Local time: 09:37
Bahasa Poland hingga Bahasa Inggeris
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TOPIC STARTER | @ Piotr and Kevin | Jan 28, 2009 |
Piotr, I'm not sure that I'd want a piece of code quoting for me. What if I didn't want to quote? Or didn't have the capacity to take the job on?
What's more, although, of course, I have a bank of template letters/quotes, still, they always have to be shaped to the exact requirements of each posting. I've never yet simply done an unedited copy and paste with them.
However, that's just me; maybe many others will see it as being an idea tailormade to their requirements... See more Piotr, I'm not sure that I'd want a piece of code quoting for me. What if I didn't want to quote? Or didn't have the capacity to take the job on?
What's more, although, of course, I have a bank of template letters/quotes, still, they always have to be shaped to the exact requirements of each posting. I've never yet simply done an unedited copy and paste with them.
However, that's just me; maybe many others will see it as being an idea tailormade to their requirements.
Kevin, you're quite right. In this, as in any business, I don't think it does any harm to be as widely known in one's field(s) as is humanely possible. And I see nothing wrong whatsoever with creating the widest possible potential client base, either. Especially as we're currently undergoing interesting times...
And what you say relates, in a way, to Sheila's point. If one is interested enough in a potential job to stop what one's doing and quote for it, because the job is still open, it would be nice if that quote were able to go through. Even if the job's closed while one's quoting. At least the time spent making the quote isn't then a complete zero, but can be put down to 'marketing' And the poster doesn't exactly lose out, either, since they have the opportunity to enrich their database.
Though I'd still welcome the knowledge that the job's been closed, so as to then be able to decide whether I want to continue with the quote or not.
[Edited at 2009-01-28 12:25 GMT] ▲ Collapse
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