Glossary entry

German term or phrase:

Totschlagargument

English translation:

killer phrase(s)

Added to glossary by Darin Fitzpatrick
May 23, 2007 03:27
17 yrs ago
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German term

Totschlagargument

German to English Social Sciences Social Science, Sociology, Ethics, etc. Debate
From a training manual on "diversity management":

"Wie begegne ich Widerstand, Skepsis & Totschlagargumenten?"

This looks like an invented word. I don't think it's a "killer argument" because that would imply that the argument is not only correct, but also unassailable. What kind of argument is it?

Discussion

Hendarto Setiadi May 23, 2007:
Try "de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Totschlagargument" for an explanation. Seems to be an argument intended not to persuade but to stifle a discussion. HTH

Proposed translations

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19 mins
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killer phrase(s)

The links speak for themselves on this one.

Totschlagargumente (nach Charles Clark sinngemäss zutreffender auch „Killerphrasen“) sind inhaltlich nahezu leere Argumente, also Scheinargumente oder Vorurteile, von denen der Disputant annimmt, dass die Mehrheit der anderen Diskussionsteilnehmer entweder mit ihm in der Bewertung übereinstimmen oder keinen Widerspruch wagt, da dies in der öffentlichen Meinung auf Ablehnung stößt

Beispiele [Bearbeiten]

* „Das ist eben so.“
* „Das sind Einzelfälle/Einzelschicksale.“
* „Das machen wir schon immer so.“
o Subtiler: „Das machen wir schon immer so, weil es sich bewährt hat.“
* „Das haben wir noch nie so gemacht.“
* „Da könnte ja jeder kommen.“


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Note added at 20 mins (2007-05-23 03:47:43 GMT)
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Killer Phrase Supportive Phrase
"Yes, but..." "Yes, and..."
"We tried that before." "The time may be just right for this!"
"It'll never fly." "It's worth a try."
"If it ain't broke, don't fix it." "If we're not moving forward, we're falling behind. Let's try it!"
"You have got to be kidding!" "You always have good ideas. Let's take a look at it."
"Be practical." "That's interesting! Let's see how we could make it work."
"That's dumb." "Tell me more -- I don't get it yet."
"We've always done it this way." "It might be time for a change."
Peer comment(s):

agree Vanessa Schlueter : Sorry, your answer wasn't there when I started entering mine
4 mins
thanks Vanessa - luck of the draw
agree Bernhard Sulzer : no argument here!
34 mins
no pun intended I'm sure! - thanks Bernhard
agree BrigitteHilgner : That's it.
1 hr
thanks Brigitte!
agree Maureen Millington-Brodie
1 hr
thank you M
agree Steffen Walter
3 hrs
thanks Steffen
agree Ingeborg Gowans (X) : my take,too, ditto "and that's that, no argument tolerated"
7 hrs
hehe thx
neutral Francis Lee (X) : That's a very informative German link - but surely the examples suggest "conversation-killer" rather than "killer phrase" (which I'd understand in terms of "unbeatable")? Despite what the English link says ...
1 day 4 hrs
"killer phrase" is a widely-used (if non-traditional) term for this specific rhetorical phenomenon;a conversation killer (no hyphen) is rather social than rhetorical, e.g.: http://proportionalbelief.blogspot.com/2006/05/great-convers...
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer. Comment: "Thanks, Jim, for the thoroughly researched answer. This is perfect!"
22 mins

killer phrase

HTH


Teams, Top 10 Killer PhrasesThe next time you offer an idea and the response is a Killer Phrase, use the tips outlined in Chic Thompson’s battle plan below. You may never be "Yes, ...
www.effectivemeetings.com/teams/difficult/chic/chic.asp - 15k - Cached - Similar pages

Yes, but... book" - Killer Phrase CentralKiller Phrase Central. Here is the ongoing list of Killer Phrases to watch out for:. It'll never work. I don't have time. It's not in the budget. ...
www.whatagreatidea.com/killerphrasecentral.htm


Totschlagargumente (nach Charles Clark sinngemäss zutreffender auch „Killerphrasen“) sind inhaltlich nahezu leere Argumente, also Scheinargumente oder Vorurteile, von denen der Disputant annimmt, dass die Mehrheit der anderen Diskussionsteilnehmer entweder mit ihm in der Bewertung übereinstimmen oder keinen Widerspruch wagt, da dies in der öffentlichen Meinung auf Ablehnung stößt. Totschlagargumente sollen Widerspruch verhindern („totschlagen“) und nebenbei auch der Ablehnung oder der Herabsetzung des Gegenüber dienen. Totschlagargumente werden zumeist dann eingesetzt, wenn man Zweifel hat, den Diskussionspartner überzeugen zu können, trotzdem aber kurzfristig den eigenen Standpunkt durchsetzen oder die eigenen Interessen wahren will. Die fehlende Überzeugungsabsicht unterscheidet das Totschlagargument von einem Argument
http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killerphrase
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2 hrs

conversation killer

Also an alternative.

The phrase “politically incorrect” is used as an anti-criticism shield so ... is another anti-intellectual conversation-killer that frankly should be banned ...
www.pandagon.net/2006/04/06/how-you-know-that-bill-maher-is...

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Note added at 2 hrs (2007-05-23 05:42:56 GMT)
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Also, the phrase 'Church of Rome' is not synonymous with 'Catholic Church'. ... stifle the debate, in which case you've found a great conversation-killer. ...
forums.xt3.com/vbulletin/archive/index.php/t-4692.html
Peer comment(s):

agree Jonathan MacKerron : "stifle" certainly captures the idea
51 mins
Thanks, Jonathan.
agree Francis Lee (X) : I only just saw this question: IMO definitely the right option(s)
1 day 2 hrs
Thanks, Francis.
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3 hrs

overbearing statements

perhaps
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