Aug 13, 2017 09:27
6 yrs ago
English term
France
that appeal to (here)
English to French
Marketing
General / Conversation / Greetings / Letters
term: product range
definition: a set of variations of the same product platform that appeal to different market segments
Merci d'avance
definition: a set of variations of the same product platform that appeal to different market segments
Merci d'avance
Proposed translations
(French)
Votes to reclassify question as PRO/non-PRO:
Non-PRO (2): GILLES MEUNIER, writeaway
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Proposed translations
+3
7 hrs
English term (edited):
[ variations ...] that appeal to [different market segments]
Selected
qui présentent un attrait
une autre variante
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Note added at 7 hrs (2017-08-13 16:50:20 GMT)
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ou bien, dans le jargon du métier :
des variations ciblées sur des segments différents du marché
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Note added at 7 hrs (2017-08-13 16:50:20 GMT)
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ou bien, dans le jargon du métier :
des variations ciblées sur des segments différents du marché
4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "Merci"
+5
9 hrs
Solen Fillatre
France
France
Native in French
Specializes in field
France
It's all about the context
Native in: French (Variant: Standard-France) 
Works in: English to French, French to English, French
Related KudoZ points
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16
qui s'adressent à
A different idea, more along the lines of 'targeting' rather than 'appealing'
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
4 hrs
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Rachel Fell
5 hrs
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Tony M
: But this rather turns it around, suggesting they are being addressed or targetted which (although we know it is what the company wants to do!) isn't actually what the s/t says.
11 hrs
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GILLES MEUNIER
13 hrs
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Maïté Mendiondo-George
14 hrs
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ph-b (X)
: Une idée « différente », c'est sûr, mais est-ce une bonne idée ? Rien dans le texte ne dit qu'il y a ciblage (c'est probablement le cas mais le texte ne le dit pas) et to appeal = to attract=« plaire à» et non pas « cibler »
16 hrs
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gayd (X)
2 days 1 hr
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+3
18 mins
English term (edited):
that appeal to
(pouvant / susceptible d') interesser
Many thanks to Gilles as ever for pointing out the slip in my previous answer, now corrected!
I just have this sort of feeling that it needs the notion of 'may / are liable to', which although not expressed is, I feel, implicit in the source text — in the context as given, it seems highly presumptuous to assert that they do for sure appeal to... one can only really assume that they are intended / likely to...
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Note added at 2 heures (2017-08-13 12:02:09 GMT)
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I do take Writeaway's point (though I don't think it justifies her 'disagree', especially as it is only an optional part of my suggestion) — but the crux of the matter is that I feel it is implicit in the source text's use of 'appeal to', which does rather mean 'likely to appeal to'; the problem is, if one uses the verb 'intéresser' (with accent!) in FR, then the superficial (back) translation would become 'that interest...', which is quite a way removed from 'appeal to': "I think this will interest you" vs. "I think this will appeal to you"
As ph-b kindly points out, I think this is stylistically a more idiomatic way of expressing it in FR.
As for the use of 'convenir', I agree that this too would perhaps be more idiomatic in FR — but I am cautious not to take the translation too far in the direction of 'suitable for...', which is quite far removed from 'appeal to...'.
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Note added at 1 jour4 heures (2017-08-14 14:08:40 GMT)
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Rachel seems to have misunderstood my mention of 'feeling' in terms of the source text — I wasn't for one moment suggesting any "emotional'" connotation here, simply that there is a certain level of 'presumption' ine the source text that is lof in the target language if 'to interest' is used on its own; i.e. the source language says 'to appeal to...', and if we translate this as 'intéresser' in the target language, then we need to find a way to make sure it is udnerstood as such in FR and not mistaken for simply 'to interest'; although my suggested dolution may not be the best way to do, I believe that our FR native-speaker colleagues have understtod the point I am trying to make here.
I just have this sort of feeling that it needs the notion of 'may / are liable to', which although not expressed is, I feel, implicit in the source text — in the context as given, it seems highly presumptuous to assert that they do for sure appeal to... one can only really assume that they are intended / likely to...
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Note added at 2 heures (2017-08-13 12:02:09 GMT)
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I do take Writeaway's point (though I don't think it justifies her 'disagree', especially as it is only an optional part of my suggestion) — but the crux of the matter is that I feel it is implicit in the source text's use of 'appeal to', which does rather mean 'likely to appeal to'; the problem is, if one uses the verb 'intéresser' (with accent!) in FR, then the superficial (back) translation would become 'that interest...', which is quite a way removed from 'appeal to': "I think this will interest you" vs. "I think this will appeal to you"
As ph-b kindly points out, I think this is stylistically a more idiomatic way of expressing it in FR.
As for the use of 'convenir', I agree that this too would perhaps be more idiomatic in FR — but I am cautious not to take the translation too far in the direction of 'suitable for...', which is quite far removed from 'appeal to...'.
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Note added at 1 jour4 heures (2017-08-14 14:08:40 GMT)
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Rachel seems to have misunderstood my mention of 'feeling' in terms of the source text — I wasn't for one moment suggesting any "emotional'" connotation here, simply that there is a certain level of 'presumption' ine the source text that is lof in the target language if 'to interest' is used on its own; i.e. the source language says 'to appeal to...', and if we translate this as 'intéresser' in the target language, then we need to find a way to make sure it is udnerstood as such in FR and not mistaken for simply 'to interest'; although my suggested dolution may not be the best way to do, I believe that our FR native-speaker colleagues have understtod the point I am trying to make here.
Peer comment(s):
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writeaway
: but there is NO apt/likely to (interest) or may (interest) in the English so why have you introduced this notion into the French? The context is a straightforward definition /this is not marketing speak. It's a definition. This is over-translation
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As I have taken pains to explain (and bracketed), I feel it is implicit in this kind of marketing field, where we talk about 'targetting' customer groups; but Asker can leave it out if they feel it is inappropriate. I fear you are still missing my point.
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Damla514 (X)
: pouvant convenir / susceptible de convenir à différents marchés
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Merc, Dada !
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Sandra Mouton
: Je suis d'accord avec writeaway sur l'absence de "may interest" dans la lettre du texte mais d'accord avec vous Tony sur le fait que cet élément fait partie du contexte implicite du marketing. On cible un segment de marché en espérant que ça marche.
1 hr
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Merci, Sandra !
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Annie Rigler
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Merci, Annie !
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ph-b (X)
: C'est effectivement plus idiomatique quand c'est accompagné (le feeling dont vous parlez) et tant pis pour le mot à mot. J'aime bien « pouvant convenir ». Et n'oublions pas l'accent aigu sur le premier « e ». :-)
1 hr
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Merci, ph-b ! Oui, mea culpa ! I just feel that 'appeal to' is different from 'interest', and that needs acknowledging in some way. I'm glad that as a native speaker you felt my suggestion was 'idiomatic'.
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Daryo
: nothing wrong in putting it this way, that's anyway implicitely part of the ST.
7 hrs
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Merci, Daryo !
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Rachel Fell
: As a native speaker of the source text, I see no indication of feeling or emotion in the use of "appeal" in this definition: it carries more of the meaning of "to serve", etc.
1 day 1 hr
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Thanks, Rachel! Of course I too am a native speaker of the source language; however, I think what is important here is to correctly capture the idiomatic sense in the TARGET language, as our native speaker colleagues in that language have corroborated.
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GILLES MEUNIER
: c'est plus l'idée d'attrait appeal, intéresser me semble sous-traduit
3 days 19 hrs
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Again, it's important to avoid the obvious, simplistic translation. Given the context here, the idea of 'attirer' amounts to over-translation: it means 'they will probbaly like', not 'it will attract them' — requires subtle understanding of the s/t EN.
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1 day 4 hrs
qui font appel à différents segments de marché / qui attirent
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