Sep 1, 2019 00:37
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Spanish term
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Native in: Spanish (Variant: Venezuelan)
Works in: English to Spanish, Spanish to English, Spanish
pertenencen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad
Spanish to English
Law/Patents
Law: Contract(s)
Estoy traduciendo unas capitulaciones matrimoniales venezolanas para los EE.UU.:
"QUINTO: Los bienes donados a uno de los cónyuges son de este, y los donados a ambas **pertenecen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad**; salvo disposición en contrario."
Entiendo que quiere decir que se dividen por la mitad y se reparten entre ambos cónyuges.
¿Cómo se formularía esta idea en inglés? Gracias nuevamente
"QUINTO: Los bienes donados a uno de los cónyuges son de este, y los donados a ambas **pertenecen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad**; salvo disposición en contrario."
Entiendo que quiere decir que se dividen por la mitad y se reparten entre ambos cónyuges.
¿Cómo se formularía esta idea en inglés? Gracias nuevamente
Proposed translations
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Andres Larsen
Venezuela
Venezuela
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Venezuela
freelance translator
Native in: English 
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, German to English, and 3 more.
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each spouse owns one-half of the donated assets as community property
each spouse owns one-half of the donated assets as community property
source:
Property and Debt in a Divorce or Legal Separation - California Courts
https://www.courts.ca.gov › ..
In California, each spouse or partner owns one-half of the community property. And, each spouse or partner is responsible for one-half of the debt. Community property and community debts are usually divided equally.
source:
Property and Debt in a Divorce or Legal Separation - California Courts
https://www.courts.ca.gov › ..
In California, each spouse or partner owns one-half of the community property. And, each spouse or partner is responsible for one-half of the debt. Community property and community debts are usually divided equally.
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Carter
: My attempt is: "Assets donated to one of the spouses belongs to that spouse, while each spouse owns one half of those assets donated to both spouses." Not too different from yours, so an agree.
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Thanks, Robert!
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philgoddard
: No hyphen, though.
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Thanks, Phil, also for your peer comment!
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4 KudoZ points awarded for this answer.
Comment: "I ended using Robert's proposal. Gracias a todos"
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Marco Belcastro Bara
Italy
Italy
Works in field
Italy
Technical Software Engineering Patents
Native in: Italian (Variants: Neapolitan, Tuscan / Toscano, Standard-Italy, Roman / Romanesco) 
Works in: English to Italian, Italian to English, Spanish to English, and 3 more.
belong/they're in full ownership to/of both (spouses) in half
pertenencen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad
belong in full ownership to both (spouses) in half
they're in full ownership of both (spouses) in half
Los bienes donados a uno de los cónyuges son de este, y los donados a ambas **pertenecen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad**; salvo disposición en contrario.
The goods donated to one of the spouses are of this, and those donated to both belong in full ownership to both in half; unless otherwise provided.
Another translation could be:
The property donated to one of the spouses is owned by the spouse, and the property donated to both spouses belong in full ownership to both spouses in half; unless otherwise provided.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:14:00 GMT)
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/full-...
(Definition of “full ownership” from the Cambridge Business English Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
full ownership
noun
FINANCE
the situation in which a person or organization owns all of something, or in which something is completely owned by a person or organization:
He took full ownership of the securities depository for €1.6 billion.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:21:13 GMT)
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/full-...
(Definition of “full ownership” from the Cambridge Business English Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
full ownership
noun
FINANCE
the situation in which a person or organization owns all of something, or in which something is completely owned by a person or organization:
He took full ownership of the securities depository for €1.6 billion.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:36:15 GMT)
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https://www.conceptosjuridicos.com/pleno-dominio/
Mediante la plena propiedad una persona es propietaria de un bien y además posee el pleno uso sobre el mismo.
belong in full ownership to both (spouses) in half
they're in full ownership of both (spouses) in half
Los bienes donados a uno de los cónyuges son de este, y los donados a ambas **pertenecen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad**; salvo disposición en contrario.
The goods donated to one of the spouses are of this, and those donated to both belong in full ownership to both in half; unless otherwise provided.
Another translation could be:
The property donated to one of the spouses is owned by the spouse, and the property donated to both spouses belong in full ownership to both spouses in half; unless otherwise provided.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:14:00 GMT)
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/full-...
(Definition of “full ownership” from the Cambridge Business English Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
full ownership
noun
FINANCE
the situation in which a person or organization owns all of something, or in which something is completely owned by a person or organization:
He took full ownership of the securities depository for €1.6 billion.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:21:13 GMT)
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https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/full-...
(Definition of “full ownership” from the Cambridge Business English Dictionary © Cambridge University Press)
full ownership
noun
FINANCE
the situation in which a person or organization owns all of something, or in which something is completely owned by a person or organization:
He took full ownership of the securities depository for €1.6 billion.
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Note added at 1 hr (2019-09-01 02:36:15 GMT)
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https://www.conceptosjuridicos.com/pleno-dominio/
Mediante la plena propiedad una persona es propietaria de un bien y además posee el pleno uso sobre el mismo.
Peer comment(s):
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Robert Carter
: "in full ownership... in half" sounds muddled to me.//I understand the meaning, but I'm still not convinced by your wording.
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Robert, maybe this is can help for a definition: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/us/dictionary/english/full-...
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Adrian MM.
Austria
Austria
Native in English
Specializes in field
Austria
Retd.T&I, Barrister & Austro-Advokat
Native in: English (Variants: British, Scottish)
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, French to English, and 5 more.
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Spanish term (edited):
pertenecen en plena propiedad a ambos por mitad
belong absolutely (outright) to each of them as to one half
I've avoided 'owned absolutely...' in case, inadvertently, HP - hire purchase goods owned by a finance company with the registrable title are donated to either spouse to which they, then tentatively and temporarily, belong: has happened....
Absolutely also subsumes both goods (chattles) and land, so a fee simple *absolute* in possession (see Barron's US Law Dictionary), and not joint ownership e.g. community property (surely?) on a joint tenancy but separate ownership on an arrangement like an ENG tenancy-in-common.
This is similar to the wording used in Anglo-Am. Wills and in an *unconditional gift*, but others may beg to differ rather than defer to my actual ENG Wills and gifts drafting practic/se.
Absolutely also subsumes both goods (chattles) and land, so a fee simple *absolute* in possession (see Barron's US Law Dictionary), and not joint ownership e.g. community property (surely?) on a joint tenancy but separate ownership on an arrangement like an ENG tenancy-in-common.
This is similar to the wording used in Anglo-Am. Wills and in an *unconditional gift*, but others may beg to differ rather than defer to my actual ENG Wills and gifts drafting practic/se.
Example sentence:
The answer is to make a Property Protection Trust Will, leaving his/her share of the house to his/her children either *absolutely* or in a Trust via the Will.
An "unconditional gift" typically remains as separate property. There are many instances an "unconditional gift" is classified as a mutual gift, because it benefits both the husband and wife.
Reference comments
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Andres Larsen
Venezuela
Venezuela
Native in English
Venezuela
freelance translator
Native in: English
Works in: Spanish to English, English to Spanish, German to English, and 3 more.
Related KudoZ points
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20
Reference:
In California, each spouse or partner owns one-half of the community property.
Property and Debt in a Divorce or Legal Separation - California Courts
https://www.courts.ca.gov › ..
In California, each spouse or partner owns one-half of the community property. And, each spouse or partner is responsible for one-half of the debt. Community property and community debts are usually divided equally.
https://www.courts.ca.gov › ..
In California, each spouse or partner owns one-half of the community property. And, each spouse or partner is responsible for one-half of the debt. Community property and community debts are usually divided equally.
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